Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

02/06/2006 01:00 PM House RESOURCES


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
*+ HB 360 REGULATION OF PUBLIC DRINKING WATER TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
*+ HB 380 ANIMALS & ANIMAL OR AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 380(RES) Out of Committee
*+ HB 395 FIRE SEASON START DATE TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
HB 395-FIRE SEASON START DATE                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:03:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RAMRAS announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be HOUSE BILL  NO. 395, "An Act extending the  period of the fire                                                               
season."                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KONRAD JACKSON,  Staff to Representative  Kurt Olson,  sponsor of                                                               
HB 395, said the bill extends  Alaska's fire season by one month.                                                               
Alaska  weather is  changing, and  wildfires have  been beginning                                                               
before May 1 on the southern  peninsula, he stated, as well as in                                                               
the Anchorage bowl.   The early-season fires  can be devastating,                                                               
he noted,  and a quick  and aggressive  attack of these  fires is                                                               
important.   He spoke  of a fire  that was close  to the  town of                                                               
Homer,  and   the  southern  peninsula   is  just   one  example.                                                               
Buildings and infrastructure are at risk, he said.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:07:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO said the  commissioner can already designate                                                               
extended seasons.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON said the bill  puts it into statute, which encourages                                                               
the start  of training and  equipment purchases, but  nothing now                                                               
could prohibit the commissioner from doing so.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:08:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE ELKINS  asked if there  has been an effort  to log                                                               
beetle-killed forests.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JACKSON said  there has,  but there  are still  "a bunch  of                                                               
standing matchsticks."                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:09:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR SAMUELS asked if the  commissioner has extended the fire                                                               
season and  why the  fiscal note  is so large  if he  has already                                                               
done so.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON  said money has  been used  "more on a  crisis basis"                                                               
instead  of preparing  ahead of  time, which  may end  up costing                                                               
less.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON said  response time is crucial,  and much of                                                               
the equipment  for the peninsula  is stored  in Palmer.   He said                                                               
the money  would allow the  state to  respond quicker, and  it is                                                               
money well spent.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:11:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked if this  bill was precipitated by the                                                               
commissioner not extending the fire season when appropriate.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON said  that when a fire happens  the commissioners say                                                               
"go" without waiting around until a designated fire season.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  said  the   current  statute  allows  the                                                               
commissioner  to designate  a  fire  season.   She  asked if  the                                                               
commissioner was asked to do so and did not move quickly enough.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  OLSON  said a  fire  service  area in  the  Kenai                                                               
Peninsula has requested an extension  of the fire season, and "it                                                               
hasn't happened."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:13:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked if beetle-killed trees are the issue.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON said that is just one of many concerns.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RAMRAS  said there have  been 11,000  lightening strikes                                                               
in a single day in the Interior.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX  asked if the equipment  in the legislation                                                               
is for the Homer and Kenai areas.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. JACKSON said it will be statewide.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:14:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GARY  POWELL, State  Fire Marshal,  Division of  Fire Prevention,                                                               
Department of  Public Safety, said  the fire season  is beginning                                                               
earlier  every  year.    He   noted  that  spring  wildfires  are                                                               
primarily man-caused.   Well-trained people and  proper equipment                                                               
need to be  in place before the fires begin,  he stated, and they                                                               
are  needed  for  both  prevention  and  suppression.    He  said                                                               
prevention includes issuing permits and providing education.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LEDOUX asked about beetle-killed trees.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. POWELL  said there are many  efforts in the state,  but there                                                               
are  other sources  of fuel  besides the  spruce trees  that have                                                               
been killed by beetles.  In  the spring, vegetation is still dry,                                                               
creating fuel as well, he added.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LYNN  WILCOCK,  Fire  Program   Manager,  Division  of  Forestry,                                                               
Department  of  Natural  Resources (DNR),  said  wildfires  occur                                                               
earlier now and are more complicated  to fight.  The problems are                                                               
exacerbated by  fuel conditions and  by increased  development in                                                               
places that are prone to fire.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:19:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked about burning beetle-killed  trees in                                                               
the winter.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILCOCK  said the carrier fuel  sprouts up in the  spring, so                                                               
the fire could not move from tree to tree during the winter.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:21:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR RAMRAS asked about the  fiscal note and the recent large                                                               
supplemental funding  request by  the governor.   He said  if the                                                               
money isn't  allocated now,  he assumes  it will  show up  in the                                                               
supplemental funding request.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILCOCK  agreed and said  he can't predict the  upcoming fire                                                               
seasons,  but by  being better  prepared,  large expensive  fires                                                               
might be avoided.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:22:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CRAWFORD asked  about  burning each  tree with  a                                                               
weed burner instead of logging each tree.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILCOCK  said the  magnitude of the  problem would  make that                                                               
very expensive, but he said  "shearblading" the trees and burning                                                               
them in a pile  can be an effective method.  He  noted that it is                                                               
the  land manager's  responsibility, and  a  lot of  the land  is                                                               
privately  owned  or  owned  by  municipalities  near  population                                                               
centers, where most  of the concern is.  He  said DNR will assist                                                               
and  advise  other  landowners,  but it  can  only  manage  state                                                               
forests.    He  noted  that  the economic  value  of  dead  trees                                                               
declines with time.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:25:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  WILCOCK  said  individual   landowners  need  to  take  some                                                               
responsibility, and  simply clearing around buildings  can save a                                                               
structure.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:26:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked  what reduces the economic  value of a                                                               
tree.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. WILCOCK  said wood for pulp  needs to have strong  fiber, and                                                               
decay over time will weaken the fiber.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:28:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CRAIG GOODRICH,  Fire Chief, Municipality  of Anchorage,  said he                                                               
supports the  bill so  that seasonal employees  can come  back on                                                               
line early enough  to be trained.   Institutionalizing the longer                                                               
fire season  allows for  better planning,  he added.   He  said a                                                               
campaign fire costs $1 million a  day, so if the funding is spent                                                               
avoiding fires, it is well spent.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL DAVIDSON, Alaska  Professional Fire Fighters Association,                                                               
said his association favors HB 395.   He said it is proactive and                                                               
may   prevent  a   multimillion-dollar  loss.     From   a  labor                                                               
standpoint,  he said,  large fires  present a  greater danger  to                                                               
firefighters.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO  asked if  there has  been much  progress in                                                               
getting landowners to clear fuel.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. GOODRICH said  he believes there has  been excellent progress                                                               
with homeowners creating defendable homes with fuel mitigation.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GATTO asked if fire  insurance rates decrease if a                                                               
homeowner is able to reduce fire dangers.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GOODRICH said  he  does not  know,  but it  is  true in  the                                                               
structural realm.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE OLSON  said if a  home is within a  10-mile radius                                                               
of a fire station, it might have an impact.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:35:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GATTO moved  to report  HB 395  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.    Hearing  no  objections,  HB  395  was  passed  out  of                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      

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